.25 Caliber Handguns: Avoid at All Costs?

This is a Raven Arms P25 MP25, a good example of a .25 caliber handgun. But is it a bad example of a handgun for writing fiction? (Image via Wikimedia, public domain)

This is a Raven Arms P25 MP25, a good example of a .25 caliber handgun. But is it a bad example of a handgun for writing fiction? (Image via Wikimedia, public domain)

TLDR: If you can help it, a character might be better off with a handgun with more bite than a .25 caliber.

Last week’s post about the .25 caliber “lady’s gun” used by James Bond kicked off some interesting feedback from followers of this blog. Some agreed with my take that the ability to be accurate matters more than firepower (a perennial debate in the gun world, too). Others felt .25 caliber handguns are flat out a bad option despite how easy they are to shoot.

Characters in fiction can get away with plenty those in the real world can’t, so neither POV is completely right or wrong. It’s up to writers to make the final call.

Still, I feel like I didn’t give enough time in that post to why it might be a bad idea to go with a .25 caliber, especially since there’s plenty of anecdotal evidence.

.25 Caliber Pistols: A Glorified Pea Shooter

In my book, The Writer’s Guide to Weapons (Writer’s Digest Books), crime writer and ex-con (I say that in the best way possible) Les Edgerton talks about a gunfight he took part in with a friend. The friend used a Raven .25 caliber, similar to the one in the video above. Here’s what Edgerton wrote:

“Rat had one of those pesky little Raven .25 calibers, and I had a .38 revolver. I kept telling him to get rid of that little toy. If he ever shot anyone with it, it was just going to piss them off, plus it left [empty casings] lying around.”

As Edgerton points out, the issue with the .25 is how it’s underpowered compared to other calibers. A check of the ballistics tables in my copy of Gun Digest 2015 shows how the .25 is slower than a .22, despite having a larger bullet than the latter. It’s like building a larger car with a smaller engine.

The combination of a relatively large bullet with less energy behind it means it won’t hit as hard, hence Edgerton’s comment that the .25 “was just going to piss them off.”

It turns out he’s right.

What It’s Like to be Shot by a .25 Caliber Handgun

An anonymous source contact me earlier this week to share three separate incidents where the people shot by a .25. I couldn’t confirm the identity of this person, but I still think there’s merit to these stories.

Thankfully, everyone lived in this first story, although the violent encounter is still disturbing:

This first guy I knew [who was] shot with a .25 was a kid on my high school wrestling team. He confronted another kid near the projects in outside Las Vegas, NV. The kid pulled a pistol and fired one shot first.

My teammate’s friends scattered. My teammate yelled out something like, “Why are you running? It’s not real.” (He had been hit in the sternum near his heart). After he yelled at his friends for running, he charged the shooter still thinking the gun was fake.

The kid then shot my teammate again, hitting his cheek bone below his eye, at which time he realized he had been shot and covered his face with his arms. The kid fired again and struck him in the elbow. The bullets never penetrated his skull or sternum but did cause some fractures from what I remember.

This next story involves someone the source worked with in the military who was on leave. The money quote: “He was shot on a Saturday night and was at work on Monday.”

One weekend he was with his friends when they had a run in with some gangsters. Words were exchanged and he got into a little Honda Civic with four other guys and tried to leave. The gangsters blocked them in, and one gangster charged their car with a pistol out.

Everyone in the car scrambled out the passenger door. My buddy said he just started hauling ass when he heard the shots. He didn’t realize he was hit at first, just like my wrestling teammate a few years earlier. He said he thought he was making a good distance running as fast as he could but when he opened his eyes (yes, he was running at a full sprint with his eyes closed) he realized he was on the ground.

Now I know there is time distortion in critical incidents, so I don’t know how long it took him to realize he was doing the Curly Shuffle, but he said he opened his eyes and could see only one leg really moving. He had been shot in the hip and tricep about 20 feet from the car.

He was taken to the hospital, where the doctors used what he said were tweezers (I think it was some other instrument) to remove the bullet lodged in his tricep. They left the bullet in his hip because of where it was located.

He was shot on a Saturday night and was at work on Monday.

The final story involves a detective hosting a law enforcement training to the source about stabbings. The detective said he’d rather be shot than stabbed, and relayed a story about a criminal using a .25.

He explained while he was on the job he got into a confrontation with a suspect. During the scuffle, the guy pulled out a little silver automatic. The detective said he let the guy go and held his arm straight out, palm up, just out of instinct. He said he heard a pop and the guy ran off.

Then he said he felt the pain in his palm like he had placed his hand with full weight on a nail. The bullet hit him in the heel of the palm of the hand and didn’t even break a bone.

He said he was extremely lucky and explained he thought the .25 was infective round because it had the same amount of powder as a .22, but because the size of the bullet was larger, it didn’t have the penetrating velocity.

If They’re No Good, Why Would Anyone Use a .25 Caliber Handgun?

They’re cheap and easy to find. That’s the primary reason. This is one of the quintessential “Saturday Night Special” guns.

The second reason is they’re easy to shoot and conceal. This makes them ideal for backup guns, but perhaps not primary, as depicted in this clip from Dr. No:

Should Your Characters Use a .25?

My default in these conversations is that any firearm can be lethal, which is why in the real world they deserve respect. Would I want to be shot by a .25 to prove a point? Not if I can help it.

If your character has no other option, a .25 is better than a ham sandwich. If you can help it, though, you might want to go with these tried and true substitutes:

Get the Book

The Writers Guide to WeaponsThe Writer’s Guide to Weapons: A Practical Reference for Using Firearms and Knives in Fiction (Writer’s Digest Books) comes with everything but the ammo. Pick up a print or digital copy from these fine retailers:

23 thoughts on “.25 Caliber Handguns: Avoid at All Costs?

  1. I have no reason to doubt any of this; however, I read this somewhere about the .25 caliber: “The slugs will ricochet around inside the head. It’s like putting the victim’s brain in a blender.”


    • That speaks to how underpowered the .25 can be, in that it can struggle to make an exit. Doesn’t make it more or less deadly, though, because being shot in the head will always suck.

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  2. Don’t tell me you can’t be accurate one I’ll take him with me when I’m going hunting many times and have killed more than one snake… one of those was at a distance of about 8 feet and it blew his head clean off… I got a phone call one Saturday morning and found out that an acquaintance of mine he killed himself put a 25 caliber to his chest… It did make me wonder if you really meant to do it and why he didn’t use a larger caliber… But the 25 caliber did the job a few years later another young man that lived close to me put a 25 caliber to his head… I guess you have to dance with what you bring to the dance but he too was killed by 25 caliber… So it’s like holding a Yugo if that’s what you like go ahead and drive


    • Right, it’s all about application. The best weapon is like the best tool in the toolbox. It only needs to be the best for that purpose, not the universal champ. Sorry about your friend.


  3. I have more of a question than a comment. Own a Colt 1911 Government (22) and wanted to get a 25. Broke both of my wrists and tried a 380—the swelled terribly. Is a 25 a bad choice for me?

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  4. The .25 has killed plenty of people. As for the wrestler’s experience, people have been shot with a .38 in a gunfight and not been aware of it. Ignore the folk wisdom.

    The reason not to put a .25 in a character’s hand is that they’re simply not very common today. Well made, expensive .25 pistols from makers like Colt and Beretta were once commonly carried by police, or in an earlier era by gentlemen who needed a pocket pistol.

    If you want to put a gun in a character’s hand, but you don’t know much about guns… maybe you shouldn’t be writing about guns.


  5. I have I have a Raven 25 and it came in very useful when a pack of mangy dogs was after my pet cat I let him have it and shot three of them dead the only trouble I had after that was now I had to bury the damn things.


  6. IMHO the .380 is the smallest caliber gun one should concealed carry, especially one loaded with high grade ammo like this:


    It is light, fits in a pocket (holster) and is fine for at close range. Same advantages as a .25, but the bullet won’t bounce off anyone’s hand.


  7. Ive spoken with members of law enforcement who have dealt with homicides involving this particular cailber. One said the bullet penetrated the targets shoulder and bounced a way left through his heart. Ge claimed that calibers like 22, 25 ,and 32 are extremely underrated. If anyone has experienced personal knowledge of this kind id like to know, as I am looking for a vest gun.

    But the bottom line is that no matter what.. You’re shooting a bullet.. And the enemy is getting shot.. What’s the difference if they’re facing a LOADED GUN?

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  8. .25 naa is a necked down 32 built for North American Arms by Cor Bon. Around 1100 fps and 135 ft. lbs of energy. Trust me that will kill you. Lehigh defense builds a extreme Cavitator round for .32 cal that meets both penetration and cavitation standards for acceptable defense according to FBI cold gelatin tests. So anyone that thinks .380 is the least acceptable is WRONG. If you think .25 will bounce off your hardened outer shell line up and let someone shoot you with a beretta jetfire.

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  9. Most of us civilians live our entire lives without the need to defend ourselves even once. Ignoring and walking away at the first sense of stupidity is STILL your best defence. But… We still understand, there is the infinitesimal but very real chance that someone will get stupid around us, and bar our quiet, humble escape. We DON’t want to fight ANYONE, let alone kill someone. And God forbid if we did have to shoot someone, most likely it would be in a crowded space where a hand cannon would go right through and kill and/or injure half a dozen innocent people behind the perp and spew enough blood and body parts to turn us all into Walking Dead Extras. And if the perp had AIDS, we may have just killed everyone around us. So I made the personal choice to go small caliber for the above reasons. As the article points out, a .25 is probably the least harmful of the deadly weapons. Fine by me. My intentions are simply to stun and/or otherwise disrupt the attacker so that I may make a quick, anonymous exit. I don’t want to teach him a lesson.. or mete out justice. If I HAVE to, I can unload 7 into his head, throat, chest, knees, or groin… And still keep bystander endangerments to a minimum. Yeah, “yours” is probably ‘bigger’ than “Mine.” Its never been my concern. Nice little gun. It has its place.


  10. I was at a gun show today. I was buying a handgun for my mother. She is a little older now so I thought, what the hell? Why not go with a Raven 25 caliber. Those damn things last forever and ,unlike like the ring of fire guns you can buy new today, they are actually reliable. I can tell you that in each and every story told to you about how a 25 Cal will only piss someone off………well that person is full of shit. I got shot in the shoulder with a 25 caliber when I was 19. I’m not claiming innocent bystander status, but I didn’t deserve to get shot either. That bullet stopped my ass dead in my tracks. Overwhelming pain and blood was everywhere. I was wondering why this guy at the gun show was telling me that the 25 was a worthless caliber with no stopping power. I was wondering how in the hell he could think that and what information gave him that opinion. Am I that big of a pussy? Much like your friend, I was a wrestler. Not just in high school, NCAA too. I don’t think I’m a pussy, but when it comes to getting shot, I may be. So I go on the internet and I see stories about people getting shot with 25 and just getting pissed off. All of those stories are lies. Complete absolute lies. At the end of the day, anybody who claims to have been shot by firearm, not just grazed, but a full on hit, who claims they weren’t hurt is full of shit.


  11. In 1924 a certain Courtland Dines was shot 3 times in the torso with a .25 wielded by the chauffeur of film star Mabel Normand. Although Dines screamed blue murder that he was going to die from being plugged, doctors said no major damage had been done. All 3 slugs had penetrated his body, and it seems there was not enough power in the .25 to cause major damage. Another friend of Miss Normand had, in 1922, received one slug from a .38, and died immediately, although no major organs were penetrated. Due to the power of a .38 causing trauma? I have heard of guys playing a game where one holds a blanket in front of him and collects 9mm slugs shot by his friend. So, always carry a blanket and avoid film stars!


  12. I was shot with a weak little daisy bb gun and it penetrated the skin. So if you think a .25 cal will just bounce off and piss you off plz come to my house and let me unload afew rounds from mine into you;.


  13. Almost forgot Reagan, and James Brady were shot with a little RG10, which takes .22 shorts. Reagan was shot under the armpit and suffered a punctured lung, and major internal bleeding. James Brady was paralyzed. If Hinckley would have been a better shot???


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